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Having written an entire entry disavowing and countering commonly cited reasons attributed to those of us who like genderswap, here's an entry where I try to explain what my reasons actually are.
Soon after I got into the Star Trek Reboot fandom, when everything felt wide open and full of limitless possibilities, I read this post by Liviapenn where she cast STXI with a gender-reversed set of actors. This post, and the discussions I read subsequently both on and off
st_genderswap, galvanized my imagination; I haven't yet written a story where I have genderswapped everyone, but I've thought about what changing any one or more of them might do to their trajectory in the fictional universe.
One character I've written a great deal about is Leah McCoy, MD, CMO of one version of the ISS Enterprise. I put Leonard McCoy through two transformations at once, to the Mirrorverse and from [assumed to be -- more on that later] cisgendered male to cisgendered female; I did so at first because an intriguing prompt caught my eye, but I've kept writing about Leah McCoy because I find her a fascinating character, exploring how she is and isn't like Leonard McCoy, the intersections of how being female changes her and how the Mirror Universe changes her.
Generally... one of my reasons for writing and reading genderswap overlaps with one of my reasons for writing and reading about minor, unnamed-in-canon and offscreen female characters. For me, my primary canon for Star Trek Reboot is a two-hour-long movie (I was not particularly a Star Trek TOS fan) and there's one major female character and a handful of secondary characters. I love that major female character, but Nyota Uhura isn't and shouldn't have to be the entirety of womanhood in the Star Trek universe, so I write and read a seemingly disproportionate amount about minor female characters, and I also ask myself what the fictional universe would look like if a larger proportion of characters whatsoever were female. That's my main reason for writing genderswap. The specter of 'Mary Sue' is invoked nearly any time we write about female characters, including against genderswap, but I think female characters are worth considering and that the threat of Mary Sues is greatly overblown (but that's another discussion).
As I put it elsewhen, "I first picked up a genderswap prompt because I thought, "What if Character X, with Y canon role, were female instead of male? And then I ran with it. There's no more complicated reason than that, putting more women into the fictional universe and seeing how being female affects a character's in-universe life and in-story 'jobs'."
Although, I've since found that it is more complicated. For instance, I elided at least two aspects of genderswap in my explanation above.
One: despite
liviapenn's brilliant fancasting of Leonard Roberts & Tom Welling, I haven't switched a female character to male. I have seen that presented as a challenge to writers of genderswap, essentially, "Why do you ignore the female characters?" Ignoring them isn't my intent; however, because I want more women in the fictional universe, I'm not as interested in changing the female characters that exist to male. It could make for a very interesting story to write the dynamic of a crew composed of one man and several women and to compare it with the dynamic of one woman and several men, or to mutually swap a het canon couple (Georgina & Winston?) but I haven't written those stories yet, is all.
Two: In my entire discussion above I've conflated 'male' with 'cisgender male' and 'female' with 'cisgender female', and now I want to pull that apart. Another valid and underdone way of writing stories that include more women would be to write about transgender women, as part of writing more about transgender people, who aren't included anywhere near as much as they should be. I've been thinking about this more than my fic output so far likely suggests, since I have only one story so far that could be said to be about a transgender character. As with any other important subject I have not personally lived, I want to do my best. However, as I said in my last post, I don't think stories about transgender characters and stories about cisgender genderswapped characters necessarly occupy the same space, nor do they need to crowd out each other. I'm not done writing yet, and I for one intend to write both genres if I can do so successfully.
I wrote this entry because most of the discussions I've seen of genderswap have been negative portrayals of the practice, so I wanted to start from a positive take on the subject. My friend
azephirin asked once: Do you just plunk the traits of the canon/original version onto their alternately-gendered counterpart, or do you consider how the character would relate to hirself and society as a person of another gender, which tends to change things somewhat? Her words have inspired me ever since.
Soon after I got into the Star Trek Reboot fandom, when everything felt wide open and full of limitless possibilities, I read this post by Liviapenn where she cast STXI with a gender-reversed set of actors. This post, and the discussions I read subsequently both on and off
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One character I've written a great deal about is Leah McCoy, MD, CMO of one version of the ISS Enterprise. I put Leonard McCoy through two transformations at once, to the Mirrorverse and from [assumed to be -- more on that later] cisgendered male to cisgendered female; I did so at first because an intriguing prompt caught my eye, but I've kept writing about Leah McCoy because I find her a fascinating character, exploring how she is and isn't like Leonard McCoy, the intersections of how being female changes her and how the Mirror Universe changes her.
Generally... one of my reasons for writing and reading genderswap overlaps with one of my reasons for writing and reading about minor, unnamed-in-canon and offscreen female characters. For me, my primary canon for Star Trek Reboot is a two-hour-long movie (I was not particularly a Star Trek TOS fan) and there's one major female character and a handful of secondary characters. I love that major female character, but Nyota Uhura isn't and shouldn't have to be the entirety of womanhood in the Star Trek universe, so I write and read a seemingly disproportionate amount about minor female characters, and I also ask myself what the fictional universe would look like if a larger proportion of characters whatsoever were female. That's my main reason for writing genderswap. The specter of 'Mary Sue' is invoked nearly any time we write about female characters, including against genderswap, but I think female characters are worth considering and that the threat of Mary Sues is greatly overblown (but that's another discussion).
As I put it elsewhen, "I first picked up a genderswap prompt because I thought, "What if Character X, with Y canon role, were female instead of male? And then I ran with it. There's no more complicated reason than that, putting more women into the fictional universe and seeing how being female affects a character's in-universe life and in-story 'jobs'."
Although, I've since found that it is more complicated. For instance, I elided at least two aspects of genderswap in my explanation above.
One: despite
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Two: In my entire discussion above I've conflated 'male' with 'cisgender male' and 'female' with 'cisgender female', and now I want to pull that apart. Another valid and underdone way of writing stories that include more women would be to write about transgender women, as part of writing more about transgender people, who aren't included anywhere near as much as they should be. I've been thinking about this more than my fic output so far likely suggests, since I have only one story so far that could be said to be about a transgender character. As with any other important subject I have not personally lived, I want to do my best. However, as I said in my last post, I don't think stories about transgender characters and stories about cisgender genderswapped characters necessarly occupy the same space, nor do they need to crowd out each other. I'm not done writing yet, and I for one intend to write both genres if I can do so successfully.
I wrote this entry because most of the discussions I've seen of genderswap have been negative portrayals of the practice, so I wanted to start from a positive take on the subject. My friend
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Date: 2011-03-27 02:55 pm (UTC)As a result of that post, I actually went and read a bunch of genderswap fics on recs from people, and enjoyed quite a few of them. And I did get a quite a bit of insight into why people write them. But I wasn't able to deal with the shit-storm of angry comments that I got from people, some of whom came only to slam genderswap (which wasn't what I wanted), and some of whom came to attack me as if I was intending to attack all genderswap readers/writers (which was also NOT my intent). Apparently, on LJ... ask a simple question... ignite WWIII.
So, I apologize, but I f-locked the post. I don't want or need another shit-storm.
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Date: 2011-03-28 03:52 am (UTC)Your post belongs to you and no one else, and I've removed the link since you have friendslocked it. To be honest, when I first read your post I cried, pretty hard, as it read to me as a demand that people who like genderswap justify what we are doing, and the first wave of comments were quite emphatically negative. Words can be imperfect carriers of meaning, sometimes woefully so.
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Date: 2011-03-27 03:14 pm (UTC)Just because Leonard McCoy is a Lena in some story or other doesn't mean she can't be as cantankerous as her male counterpart; perhaps for different reasons, yes, but I believe that genderswapped characters are the same in all the ways that matter to readers.
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Date: 2011-03-27 03:16 pm (UTC)because I want more women in the fictional universe, I'm not as interested in changing the female characters that exist to male
This is exactly the reason why I haven't (yet) written female to male genderswap. One of my primary reasons for writing it is the lack of female characters in canon, and while OCs are lovely and I have several, I also want to write about Jamie Kirk or Leah McCoy or Polina Chekova (or or or) and see how they fit into a universe their male counterparts underpinned.
I also like writing genderswap because I find ladies sexy, and I can't pretend that isn't a reason. ;)
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Date: 2011-03-28 03:57 am (UTC)And yes, women are very sexy, and that's definitely a reason, too. I just let that one be to talk about the others, but I cherish that reason. :D
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Date: 2011-03-27 03:33 pm (UTC)Beautifully done, my dear.
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Date: 2011-03-28 04:00 am (UTC)Now to get back to writing fic!
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Date: 2011-03-27 03:53 pm (UTC)Eloquently put. :D And, yes, there needs to be more women in fic. :D (goes back to writing James/Mindy/Richard)
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Date: 2011-03-27 05:34 pm (UTC)I just got up so my brains are still a little fuzzy, but thinking about your comment on Mary Sues as itnernalized mysoginy, I think a lot of the same things come into play with genderswap as well--which of course is pretty fascinating since fandom is traditionally groups of women's communities, where we're supposed to actually feel free to play and be ourselves.
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Date: 2011-03-28 04:20 am (UTC)Sometimes it seems like women are expected to dislike being female in ways men aren't expected to dislike being male, and that in fandom that comes out in the opprobium heaped on het, genderswap, OCs, Mary Sues and anything else 'too female'. But oh, I have Thoughts about that I shouldn't get into here. Maybe I'll rummage up one of my anti-anti-Mary Sue rants and send you the link. :)
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Date: 2011-03-27 06:44 pm (UTC)I'm tempted now to write some girl Scotty... Muriel Scott, maybe? Morag? *g* What is the female equivalent to Montgomery, anyway? Anyway,t he first time she drinks the entire bridge crew under the table and then goes on to defeat the laws of physics AND the save the Enterprise during a red alert while half-cut on bad scotch (to her shame, she has yet to properly reprogram the synthesizers - she keeps getting distracted by the all the bloody emergencies!).
Tangential question is tangential - but what is your take on mpreg? I tend to avoid it because I've read some really bad examples where the author has put all of the insulting and stereotypical "female traits" onto the pregnant character (and not in a way intended to highlight how ridiculous the stereotypes) that just left a bad taste in my mouth.
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Date: 2011-03-28 04:32 am (UTC)Ah, mPreg. It used to be my go-to genre for my "There are things I don't like but I don't spend all my time saying people shouldn't write them" rants. And God knows Sturgeon's Law applies. BUT. I have read some excellent mPregs that don't stereotypically feminize the pregnant character, that don't sideline women (sometimes even by making the pregnant male character's female partner the father) and that generally don't suck. (Frex, so far in the mPreg plot of
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Date: 2011-03-27 07:43 pm (UTC)I wonder if I should try writing genderswap. I've never done it beyond drawing pictures. There's always characterization happening in that process too, so I do get what you're saying about how having been socialized as female and identifying as female would change how those characters interact with the world. I'm thinking of that Big Bang Theory genderswap pic I did. Penny would still be a Seventeen magazine cover, just with pretty boy good looks and a focus on music rather than acting, because the locus of his identity would still be external, so he'd be drawn to the creative profession and personal style most likely to win him adoration. I actually didn't have to change the boys around all that much because, well, us geeks, we're kind of less interested in presentation than in shiny things. But it was fun!
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Date: 2011-03-28 04:35 am (UTC)*beams at you*
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Date: 2011-03-27 09:06 pm (UTC)I personally find it sort of empowering, as a female reader and writer, to suggest that Chekov's adorable geniusness and Sulu's general badassery and Kirk's command are not off-limits to my gender and are not incompatible with "a female personality" (I loathe phrasing it that way, but I can't think of a better way to express it). For that reason I tend to feel positively about genderswap, but I also realize that my positive emotions aren't everybody's.
I actually had not heard the Mary Sue criticism of genderswap before. Maybe there are some individual genderswap stories where that applies (or I'm just out of the loop), but I'm surprised to see it as an across-the-board criticism. I feel like, in popular perception, making a male character unambiguously awesome doesn't trigger the same reactions as when it's a female character. And I actually don't think that reaction is always wrong, because sometimes "making a female character awesome" can come from an author who seems to define "awesome" as "successfully conforming to all of society's misogynistically impossible expectations for women." So while I think the Mary Sue epithet gets thrown around too freely, I think it can have some legitimacy in those situations. Or at least, I'm sympathetic to the place of frustration that can cause people to reach for the "Mary Sue" tag, even if I don't always personally agree with the use of it.
I feel like most of the Trek genderswap I've read averts that pretty strongly, which is one of the reasons I like it so much. But I can understand how a reader might have different experiences within the fandom and/or come at it with different expectations.
I sort of want to tie all of these issues (Mary Sue, genderswap, and even to some degree slash itself) into some insightful theory about female members of fandom finding ways to "own" or at least make peace with a male-slanted canon, but it's not clicking in my brain exactly right. I also don't mean to make this All About Misogyny - while I think that's an important factor, I recognize that it's not the only issue at play here. It's the only one I feel even a little qualified to offer thoughts on, though XD
Thank you so much for these posts, for writing so clearly and elegantly on a potentially divisive topic, and for giving me more to think about in regards to my own attitudes and participation in fandom.
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Date: 2011-03-28 04:38 am (UTC)*nod* exactly!
Augh, it's getting late and I'm getting terse, but I wanted to thank you for this lovely long, meaty, thoughtful comment. I wrote this with some trepidation and instead I'm getting really wonderful responses. :)
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Date: 2011-03-28 04:40 am (UTC)And yeah, I'm not saying genderswap stories can't suck. Sturgeon's Law and all that. I just wrote this because... I keep seeing genderswap brought up by its enemies, who say it must necessarily be bad, and I think like any other genre it has all sorts of potential.
Also, I should be asleep. :) *adds a link and hugs you gratefully*
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Date: 2011-03-28 04:43 am (UTC)I look forward to any further thoughts you have, since I know already they'll be excellent.
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Date: 2011-03-28 01:52 am (UTC)I will admit that I didn't take to genderswap until Trek fandom--and even then, few and far between. Mostly because like all AUs, what inetrests me is how they develop the characters through their differences, and illustrate their comonalities, and not all stories do tis.
But I will say a HUGE draw for me with your Lenore McCoy stories is the examination of gender in the Mirror Universe. Part of why I continue to write Mirror Universe stories is the examination of how sex (the act) comes into play in a universe where power play is, if not the norm, then certainly a mroe accepted practice. And how that relates to dominant and submissive partners, as well as the idea that if you are not a predator in the MU, then you're prey.
This is getting wacky--blame lack fo sleep But I want to THANK YOU for putting yourself out there and writing these posts. I know what the stakes potentially are for you as both a fan and a fan writer, and I am giving you major hugs.
Lastly, here, have a pressie!
Number One and Captain Pike
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Date: 2011-03-28 04:49 am (UTC)And oh, I adore the manips! Thank you! Mr. Cumberbatch has the right sort of otherworldly strange beauty and laser-eyed look for Number One, and I need to find out who that gloriously regal lady is who is your Captain Pike. Wow. *hugs you gratefully*
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Date: 2011-03-28 04:01 am (UTC)That's how I look at it. There are certainly women who have male-i-fied themselves to fit into the corporate world-- seen and dealt with many of those, and they usually strike me as rather sad examples of what unqualified ambitious striving will do. Then you got women who play off their sexuality to manipulate men, most of whom are so stupid they fall for it-- even otherwise intelligent men.
But when you change the dynamic and you have mostly women interacting with women, you really do get a different society. Sex comes out of the equation, either denying it or over-emphasizing it, and you get a bunch of personalities interacting in a different many than a set of male personalities would.
I can see the appeal of that for fanfic. All of fiction is a "what if"-- so why should this "what if" be any more or less valid than a "what if" where everyone is gay or has wings or has magical powers or whatever.
Interesting discussion. Thanks for posting!
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Date: 2011-03-28 04:57 am (UTC)I'm not sure if sex necessarily leaves the equation when we have female characters interacting, although depending on the characters and their interactions, it definitely can. Or it can change in all sorts of interesting ways. IDIC as the Vulcans would say.
Thank you very much for commenting on this, and you're very welcome. :)
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