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Which is the absolute best movie I have ever seen which I have no intention of ever seeing again (a compliment to it).

I don't think the entire US needs to see this movie. There are many people who don't. But I do wish that I could magically compel some people to, such as everyone who has ever told me that the slaves were better off before they were freed, that Black people are unintelligent, that we benefited from and were civilized by slavery, that racism has economic benefits, that the Confederacy was in the right and should have won the US Civil War. I wish I could collect everyone I used to argue with from Elbows and #elbows and filkdom and the Nose and so on, and have a mass field trip to go see 12 Years a Slave.

Of course, people being what they are, half that crowd would probably throw popcorn at the screen and laugh loudly at all the floggings.


But, I should write about the movie, and what a movie it is. I could write individual essays about different aspects of it, including but not limited to: the acting, including Chiwetel Ejiofor's masterful portrayal of Solomon Northup, Lupita Nyong'o's breakout role as Patsey, and the excellent and nuanced portrayals of some sincerely horrible people; how the movie showed that a good kind slavemaster is still a culpable participant in an evil system and yet a brutal master is so boundlessly horrible; the effects of slavery on women, or, that whole idea of otherwise powerless women controlling men through sex is so much rank bullshit; the extra-crispy haunting scene where a woman is torn from her children and sold away from them; the intelligence with which the Black characters are credited by the script and acting; how much it tells us to see that a woman who picks a quarter ton of cotton a day and suffers unspeakable abuses also has a hobby of making grass dolls; the almost hilarious scene where a former overseer complains, rightfully, of how soul-destroying he found overseeing and oppressing slaves, to the captive audience of the slave whose whipping-induced wounds he's treating; the way music threads through the movie; the way violence threads through it, including some truly shattering scenes of violence. This movie is incredibly rich and full of amazing layers of detail and message that form a synergistic whole. It would greatly reward repeated watchings and lots of analysis.

I just don't think my heart could take it. This movie was as brutal as was necessary to be accurate, which was astonishingly brutal. Just remembering the first whipping, or the worst, or several others, my eyes are running over again. One thing I really wish could be written in letters of fire in every history book about the United States or any part of it which had slavery (including many parts of the Northeast) is how brutal slavery was. ANyone who dares say it was a beneficial system should taste the smallest crumb of the experience of watching Solomon's terror and pain, watching the agonies his fellow slaves were put through all around him. I can't even imagine what it was like to live through them.

So many of my fellow Americans won't bother, I know. This movie needed to be made but I am unsurprised it took a team of Brits to make it, even in 2013.

ETA 12 Years a Slave is being quite rightfully compared to Schindler's List; another comparison that struck me sometimes (because I am ridiculous) was between Solomon Northup's portrayal and Jean Valjean's. Not just in the surface effect of red eyes and painted suffering, but also in the actors' portrayals of men who needed to cling to the knowledge that they were "no worse than any other." Valjean's story is seen as universally applicable; I could hope that Northup's could come to be seen so as well.

I thought I had more to say on that but it's just as well that I don't. *laugh at myself*

I think I shouldn't've bothered to take notes. My notes are quite hampered by intermittent ink, being jotted in the dark, and the times when I was crying too hard to write, or when I dropped the notebook in shock at a particular plot development.

I was the only Black person in the theater, as I was for Django Unchained, which was interesting to note not least because my reasons for seeing the movies are flipped reversals of each other. I saw Django Unchained to lay claim to a revenge fantasy constructed by someone else; I saw 12 Years a Slave because my ancestors lived it. (Interestingly, out of four or five trailers there was exactly one with a POC with a speaking role.)

I cried a lot during the movie. Even though I hydrated well beforehand and brought a whole pack of tissues, I still wasn't prepared for just how much I cried. I hid my face in WD's shoulder at one point, and during the last scene I broke down into full on ugly crying, sobbing while WD rubbed my back, and couldn't stop till after the credits ended. I feel a mix of apologetic and weirdly defiant towards the other audience members about that.

Speaking of.. all thanks to my dearest [livejournal.com profile] bikergeek, who took me to see this emotionally wrenching movie, and let me cry into his shoulder and squeeze his hand, and rubbed my back while I wept through the credits. Who understands why I had to see this movie and why I needed him with me. *blows a grateful kiss*

Also, I owe thanks to Mr. McQueen, Mr. Ridley, Mr. Ejiofor, Ms. Nyong'o, and everyone else who brought this astonishing movie to fruition. And to Mr. Northup, for surviving and then writing down and publishing his ordeal. And to my ancestors, for surviving theirs so I can exist.

In summary, I'm really glad I saw 12 Years a Slave, even though or maybe because I don't think I'll be able to sleep tonight.

Date: 2013-11-05 06:51 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] caitri.livejournal.com
*cuddles*

So, there's a part of me that REALLY wants to go see this movie, because I respect everyone who's a part of it, but there's also a part of me that's kind of terrified to see it, for many of the reasons you write.

*indulgent ramble following, feel free to skip*

And also, from the flip side--I'd be going in a theater in an area of affluent white people, and--that creeps me out somehow? Even though I'm nominally an affluent white person with a very much not that background? But I just get the feeling that I'd be surrounded by this self-congratulatory vibe of "oh we get the suffering because of MOVIE" and I'd laugh maniacally (I did that once, in a play about mental illness where apparently neither the writer nor the person-who-makes-sets-whatever-they-are-called-vocabulary-fail-geez had ever, EVER been to a mental institution or dealt with real problems and I laughed loudly because it was such a smack in the face, and I appalled and offended people, but I couldn't help it) and then I'd just feel emotionally sick and I don't want to deal with that? And maybe it's better for all involved if I wait until it's on Netflix and can watch privately and if I get upset I can pause and stuff? OTOH I want to give the moviemakers my money because hey! Honest films! HOW ABOUT THAT HUH!

Anyway, there's all my conflicted feelings, and I hope you'll forgive me, and also tell me if you think I can take it, cos I trust your opinion.

Date: 2013-11-05 06:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] browngirl.livejournal.com
I hear you on your conflicted feelings. I spent the whole movie thinking "oh God, how much worse to have unendingly lived this!"

I dont' know how much violence yu can take. It was gorgeously acted, but also accurately violent, which is to say, very. It has an explicit rape scene. And it has Mr. Ejiofor's eloquent eyes, which brilliantly convey all the violence done to the spirit. So.

PS I think, from what you've told me of your family history, you'll find some of the interpersonal relationships fascinating, and I'd love to talk to you about that. But I couldn't not warn you of the movie's wrenchingness.
Edited Date: 2013-11-05 06:20 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-11-05 06:39 pm (UTC)
ext_409703: (hug your shark)
From: [identity profile] caitri.livejournal.com
*nod nod* Okay, if there's a rape scene I think I will wait--thanks for the head's up. That's the sort of thing I often really do need the freedom to be able to leave the room/fastforward/etc easily.

(When we went to see The Last King of Scotland, there was literally a moment towards the end when I thought I was going to faint, and the theater was also too crowded to stumble to do the bathroom easily, so I sat there and was just utterly overwhelmed for a bit, and was at the same time so irritated because my reaction to events were so visceral, and yet the ending still had the black-man-sacrifices-himself-for-the-white-man-trope and I was FURIOUS.)

I seriously appreciate it when you do these reviews, bb. <3 <3 <3

Date: 2013-11-05 07:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bikergeek.livejournal.com
It was a good movie for all the reasons you list, and I'm glad I saw it. I'm also glad I was able to support you in seeing it.

I love you.

Date: 2013-11-05 06:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] browngirl.livejournal.com
I love you, too, and I continue in gratitude.
*hugs tightly*

Date: 2013-11-05 11:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wcg.livejournal.com
I understand the sentiment of seeing something once, finding it deeply touching, and never wanting to see it again.

Thanks for the post.

Date: 2013-11-05 06:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] browngirl.livejournal.com
Thank you for letting me know you read this. :)

Date: 2013-11-05 11:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gridlore.livejournal.com
It's how I feel about "Rent". Saw it, enjoyed, never again even at gunpoint.

Date: 2013-11-07 10:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wickedladybear.livejournal.com
Grave of the Fireflies, Rent, and a few others are like that for me. As much as I am grateful for art that shows the real, it wrecks me sometimes, and I can't function for a few days, which does nobody any real good, as my Gran would say.

It's a mightily good thing to have people around who can hold one up when one has those reactions, and, I'm really kinda glad that I have them.

I just won't watch them a second time, it is too much, y'know?

Date: 2013-11-05 12:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catsittingstill.livejournal.com
I am glad you got to see it, and that you had bikergeek to support you through it. I hope you slept okay and that you either didn't have bad dreams, or that they all ended in escape.

*hug*

I am kind of scared to see it, to tell you the truth.

I feel like I should have an emotional stake in it but I don't actually feel connected to that history. I have to admit that my reluctance really is more because I hate brutality on a viceral level. I might need to take a handkerchief *and* a bowl to the theater.

But I feel like I ought to support the movie makers and it is probably an important film for me to see.
Edited Date: 2013-11-05 12:39 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-11-05 06:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] browngirl.livejournal.com
I still feel tear-hungover today, but I'll be fine. I also feel overwhelmed by gratitude for my life.

As I said before to you and upthread to [livejournal.com profile] caitri, I don't know if I can recommend it, I can just explain how both magnificent and wrenching it is.

PS I was scared, too.
Edited Date: 2013-11-05 06:20 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-11-05 12:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hand2hand.livejournal.com
Thank you.

I agree that movie makers from the USA would not have made this movie.

Date: 2013-11-05 06:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] browngirl.livejournal.com
Yeah. *wry smile*

On that subject… Brad Pitt's role in the movie mirrors his RL producer role in a really entertaining way.

Date: 2013-11-05 12:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asakiyume.livejournal.com
I've heard only good things about this movie, though of course in this case its excellence means it's heart-wrenching and terrible to behold.

how much it tells us to see that a woman who picks a quarter ton of cotton a day and suffers unspeakable abuses also has a hobby of making grass dolls ---(brings a lump to my throat)

the almost hilarious scene where a former overseer complains, rightfully, of how soul-destroying he found overseeing and oppressing slaves, to the captive audience of the slave whose whipping-induced wounds he's treating --- Ouch, yeah!

Date: 2013-11-05 06:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] browngirl.livejournal.com
I can't even describe how much I love the scene of her making the dolls, because… there is an idea that if someone has any normalcy in their life it proves they aren't 'really' suffering, and oh, how this movie disproves that idea, annihilates it. That women went through titanic torments, but/and she was a human being with a hobby, making dolls. That bit meant so, so much to me.

Date: 2013-11-05 06:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asakiyume.livejournal.com
Whoa, yeah, that's a particularly pernicious idea: that a person's grasping for a slender happiness in the midst of oppression means they're not really suffering.

Date: 2013-11-05 01:41 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shirebound
the absolute best movie I have ever seen which I have no intention of ever seeing again

That's exactly how I felt about Schindler's List.

Date: 2013-11-05 02:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] purlewe.livejournal.com
That was exactly what I was thinking.

Date: 2013-11-05 06:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] browngirl.livejournal.com
An apt comparison. Both movies are about human beings caught in vast human evils.

Date: 2013-11-06 12:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spacehawk.livejournal.com
Yes. I was expecting a comparison more to Schindler's List here than to Les Mis (though I saw the musical and not the movie, so).

Both movies that are necessary to see, even if that means only once.

Date: 2013-11-06 04:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] browngirl.livejournal.com
When comparing movies, yes, of course; when I brought up Les Miserables I was thinking specifically of Northup and Valjean in their personal journeys, not comparing the two movies in general.

Date: 2013-11-07 05:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spacehawk.livejournal.com
Ah, OK.

What do you mean by "portrayals of men who needed to cling to the knowledge that they were "no worse than any other"?" I don't fully understand.

Date: 2013-11-07 06:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] browngirl.livejournal.com
"no worse than any other" is a quotation from Les Mis (from Valjean describing himself to Javert in response to Javert's accusation that Valjean saved his life as a bargaining chip).

What I mean is… I was thinking of Northup and Valjean as characters, here (real life being of course messier than narrative), both men who dealt with a long and difficult period in their respective lives when the often-reiterated opinion of those with power over them was that they were less than fully human. Valjean's story is a widespread example of the tale of someone transcending that dehumanization by holding fast to his knowledge that he is a human being no matter what anyone says, and I was musing on how Northup's story is also an excellent (and in this case real life) story of someone transcending dehumanization. (I probably should have written more detail about that thought, or nothing at all.)

Date: 2013-11-07 07:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spacehawk.livejournal.com
Ah, OK, that makes more sense now. If you do write more about that comparison, I'd be interested to read it.

Date: 2013-11-05 02:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redaxe.livejournal.com
The phrase I keep seeing about the flick is "the hardest to watch great movie you'll ever force yourself to see."

Sounds pretty accurate.

Date: 2013-11-05 06:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] browngirl.livejournal.com
Quite accurate.

Date: 2013-11-05 03:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] achinhibitor.livejournal.com
I've not seen it, nor even read much about it. But I've read that the movie is harrowing. (Big surprise, if it's at all realistic.) And after reading the review, realizing that Solomon Northup got off easy, because he was sprung after only 12 years. Yup, reality was worse than the harrowing movie.

Date: 2013-11-05 06:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] browngirl.livejournal.com
Heh, easy. I could ask you to watch the first whipping Mr. Northup receives before saying "he got off easy".

But/and, that is the movie's point. He was plunged into but then climbed back out of a living hell that millions of people just as sentient as he had to endure from birth till death. So, in a way, the movie is about how he 'got off easy', comparatively, and just how horrible even that 'easy' was.

Date: 2013-11-05 04:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jenny_evergreen
I'll buy a copy and use it as part of educating the boys when they are old enough, so...how old do you think they'll have to be?

Date: 2013-11-05 06:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] browngirl.livejournal.com
Teenagers.

In a couple years for Finn and probably now for Will (depending on how he deals with death in movies) you could show them Glory, but I couldn't show 12 Years a Slave to anyone not a least a teenager.

Date: 2013-11-06 07:31 pm (UTC)
jenny_evergreen: (Jenny 11)
From: [personal profile] jenny_evergreen
Yeah, I figured teenagers from your description...probably older, maybe 16?

Okay, I'll do Glory, probably soonish for Will and a few years for Finn. (Finn is the more naturally empathetic of the two.)

Date: 2013-11-05 08:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] juliansinger.livejournal.com
OK, so, this has convinced me I should see the movie. Thank you for your review. (And I'm glad WD was there for you, so that you could have the experience and be able to feel it safely.)

Date: 2013-11-06 04:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] browngirl.livejournal.com
*blush* You're welcome. And yeah, I continue to be glad of WD. :)

Date: 2013-11-05 10:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peteralway.livejournal.com
Thanks for the review. I'll have to watch it when the library gets the DVD.

Date: 2013-11-06 04:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] browngirl.livejournal.com
You're very welcome. :)

Date: 2013-11-07 10:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wickedladybear.livejournal.com
It's...difficult for me to go through that sort of visceral reaction, and it wrecks me for days afterwards. But, I think, especially as a relatively privileged Caucasian woman that it is *important* for me to see this kind of art, y'know? Trying to find the balance between wanting to support this film, supporting things that don't make slavery the stuff of romance and self-care is tricksy stuff.

I can't tell you how proud I am of you, that you went, despite being scared, and how grateful I am that you shared your reactions with us.

Date: 2013-11-07 03:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] browngirl.livejournal.com
*blushes at you* Thank you. I just… I had to, being who I am.

*hugs you gratefully*

Date: 2013-11-07 07:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icecreamempress.livejournal.com
You have said pretty much everything I wanted to say right here, especially the part about thanking our hostess for sharing her response to the movie.

"That couldn't have been me" is a base comfort to take, but I know I took shelter in that while watching Schindler's List and Four Months, Three Weeks, and Two Days, and I don't want to find myself retreating to that again with Twelve Years a Slave, but I know I might.

But when it could have been you, and it was your ancestors---well, everyone who made this film and has gone to see this film for whom this is true is doing something brave and beautiful in being part of witnessing these terrible truths.

Date: 2013-11-08 01:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] browngirl.livejournal.com
*blushes a lot* Thank you. :)

Date: 2013-11-08 11:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnpalmer.livejournal.com
Thank you for sharing your feelings. I'm not sure how I feel about seeing it, myself, but this will help me decide.

Date: 2013-11-10 07:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] browngirl.livejournal.com
*curtseys* You're very welcome. :)

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