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So I was trying not to make this post, but I read too many discussions in short order to keep from doing so.

So I read N. K. Jemisyn's Things People Need to Understand, issue 223.2, which excellently states, "We have to shed this idea that SFF is somehow special. That it is perfect. That it is in any way better than the mainstream society from which it derives. It isn’t. And in fact, SFF’s manifest unwillingness to examine itself is one of the things that makes it worse than the mainstream." [And I just deleted a mini-rant concerning my opinions on the statements she was replying to, which isn't necessary considering this post of mine. So, moving right along...]

So I also read [livejournal.com profile] jimhines's Crap People Say About Sexual Harassment, which was further illuminating and depressing. A comment led me to this discussion on "taboo songs' in [livejournal.com profile] filk, where a bunch of people proudly proclaimed their Hatred of Censorship and Right to Sing Whatever They Want. It reminded me of the discussions about warnings in fic fandom, where one side doesn't want to be triggered as much and the other said, "you can't warn for every trigger in existence so you shouldn't bother warning for any of them, and asking me to warn is censoring me and I won't stand for that." Same thing here, but with filk. I suppose I benefited from the reminder of why I've left, but it was still disheartening.

Also, I came across the Overheard from the Smof Mailing List tumblr, which may go away soon due to the DCMA take-down notices being issued, and which is further illuminating and depressing as to how many in the backbone of fandom view... I was going to say 'the rest of us', but many of those pushing back against sexism and racism in fandom are just as much part of its backbone as those who view themselves as holding the line against the orc horde. ETA: However, in the comments here there's a discussion of that Tumblr, the accuracy and context of its quotations, and the harm it may have done to its seeming goal.

I was going to say more, but my Littlest Roommate requests my attention. So I'll close with a couple more links that warrant signal-boosting:

Things You Should Know About the Fallout
What Conventions Are and Aren't
Pride and Prejudice and Readercon
American Fandom goes to, err, War

Date: 2012-09-15 08:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] caitri.livejournal.com
:(

NGL, I'm not sure I'd agree with the statement that Fandom examines itself less than mainstream does--I think I'd argue the opposite--but that could just be in the areas of fandom I live in. (Ultra-selective groups can be ultra-selective, e.g. slashers.) I will say that I think all these conversations happening is for the better than not; it means that problems are being identified, analyzed, discussed, and maybe one day, solved. So. My $0.02.

Also **MEGAHUGS** I hope you don't leave, but I think I understand why you want to.

Date: 2012-09-16 12:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] browngirl.livejournal.com
Okay, point, maybe fandom doesn't examine itself less than the wider society (although it depends where, as you point out -- slashfic fandom tends to be fairly self-examiney, whereas I'm watching a lot of pushback to that in con-running fandom), but that it needs to examine itself more.

Anyway, I'm glad these discussions are happening, I'm just... tired of the pushback.

*hugs you*
Edited Date: 2012-09-16 04:55 pm (UTC)

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